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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.09 13:26:04 -
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Once again, we are approaching the elections for the CSM.
Once again, it will no doubt be largely Goons appointed members.
Once again, we shall have the minority (Null Sec) speaking for the majority (High Sec).
Once again, we will be voting for people people based on what tribe they are in (coalition)
... and yet again, we will be thinking about ourselves when we do this; without regard for whether they actually have the skills and neutral mindset to do a good job.
Thus our carousel will keep on spinning, CCP shall have to take what the CSM put forward with a bucket of salt.
(It seemed from this past year that even when the CSM was being positive and trying to put the brakes on some really bone-headed ideas; that they were completely ignored.)
You can point to a few exceptions yes, like some of the stuff Sugar Kyle has done.
You can harp on about how it is better than nothing and we haven't had another Incarna since we have had the CSM came about.
You can also go on about the daily work they do and ignore why they are motivated to be there and the influence they try and exert.
However, I want you to ask yourselves this:
- Why are you voting for that person?
- Is the CSM influence more gradual and insidious?
- Is the CSM too full of peacocks or selfish agendas to be taken seriously by CCP?
- Is CSM largely a lobby group?
- How can the whole process be improved?
- Are these questions too late?
( ... because the ballot pages are made, CCP's mind is made up and the rest of the year people don't care.)
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Posted - 2016.01.10 03:33:41 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:No offense, but ... I love your passive aggressive cliches, please tell me more.
Pix Severus wrote:Even if pure highsec players were the majority, ... why bother representing them?... $$$ for CCP = more developers = possible better game with a wider scope = possible higher number of players to shoot.
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Posted - 2016.01.10 14:57:32 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:...Voting supports the majority. If you guys don't vote enough for the people that the "majority" want then yes, null sec groups who do vote and do know who they want will get their own way. ... I found last year that most of High Sec doesn't know that a CSM even exists or what it does.
CCP does not make a big enough song and dance.
They could put up a notification like down time upon log in or they could stick it like a MoTD in Local chat.
How can a vote represent a majority when the majority doesn't know the vote even happens?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.10 21:54:17 -
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Tippia wrote:... Beyond that, assuming this hypothesis is actually accurate, it also raises an immediate question: what's the problem? ... The obvious difference is huge alliances that put out mails and coalitions that all use the same forum.
One can reach many with Null Sec.
High Sec is far, far more divided and has no game pressure to group up the same way.
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Posted - 2016.01.10 23:31:55 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:... Plus have you even looked at the people running this time? ... I'm voting for Xenuria
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.11 00:10:04 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote: ... Please explain ... "Feck it"
Your post was actually the tipping point.
I now feel CSM is pointless, without hope and we might as well vote for Xenuria after the year CCP has given us.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.11 06:47:13 -
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Aww you finally got it and stopped filtering!
Now, the first stage is denial. Not much we can do to help you with that I'm afraid but I will try keep an eye out for when you get past it.
Marsha Mallow wrote:... screeching + it's not unrelated now. ... So yeh, feck it. I guess that highlights how pointless it is.
I can at least say that I tried. I flew about, talked with as many people as I could, even directed them to various candidates to try and at least get some more votes.
I actually ran for CSM to try and do something.
Unlike Jenn aSnide who as far as I can tell has never actually contributed anything besides, "People are delusional and by implication I am superior."
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Posted - 2016.01.11 18:33:08 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:... If you want to reduce CFC influence on CSM, vote .... Check what the a "mango" is to the Chinese server and then look at Goons.
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Posted - 2016.01.11 19:27:38 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:... If you want to reduce CFC influence on CSM, vote .... Check what the a "mango" is to the Chinese server and then look at Goons. If that is related to anything we're discussing here, you can link it and actually do some in-depth explaining. Else, I'm not really going to see how it's anything but a rambling outcry, just like your intent to vote for Xenuria as an act of revenge. There, there, open wide choo choo train coming.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.11 21:39:12 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:... I mean, you're trying to make CFC out to rule the entirety of nullsec? .... Man-go.
"Go to H1Z1." They go.
"Vote for X, Y and Z." They go.
Simple.
Right there for you to read.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.11 22:01:51 -
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Top Guac wrote:... If you are going to go with that sort of thinking, then why didn't the kickstarter succeed? ... You can go find your own answers for that exception.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.11 22:34:12 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:... Actually, this is mostly hitting yourself. You are so bad, so unpopular, so unable to organise, that even though you claim to be a large majority (62% or thereabouts?), ... I like how you go on about "you" this and that, based on the assumption that I am a High Sec resident. 
Try some "they"s rather. 
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.12 06:45:33 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:(Nonsense). Again, it is simple:
Within the scope of the entire EVE population, the CFC is a minority and they are controlling 75% of the votes.
Type out as much fluff as you like but it is obvious that something is broken and people are not informed that the CSM exists and or what it does.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.12 19:51:52 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:... - so you might also want to justify a 75% of the votes claim. ... Go find their list of who they were all told to vote for.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.12 20:15:07 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:... Link or GTFO, tbh. I am in a fleet. One of those weird people who actually play.
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Posted - 2016.01.12 20:28:26 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:So you have time to write long-winded "Grr, goons" soliloquies, but are too busy to support any of it?  That's convenient. Fleet form up. Heard of it?
Edit: Anyway, enough of you for now. Seems like trolling to get a thread locked.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.12 23:36:22 -
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Tippia wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I am in a fleet. In other words, you chose GTFO because you got caught lying through your teeth and, as is usually the case when that happens, cant produce even the slightest shred of evidence to support your fantasy.
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:So you have time to write long-winded "Grr, goons" soliloquies, but are too busy to support any of it? That's convenient. Fleet form up. Heard of it? Edit: Anyway, enough of you for now. Seems like trolling to get a thread locked. Sure. It's utter bollocks, though, given that you clearly have time to come here and post limp-wristed excuses. If you were actually too busy, you would skip the part where you tell us you're simply far too busy doing important internet spaceship things and then just come back with your evidence later.
First Google hit.
Now eat your pods.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:04:11 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Frankly, the whole CSM thing has outstayed its welcome and it used more for meta stuff than actual use. For emphasis.
P.S. Not bothered about a link that I grabbed just before going to bed. Additionally, the public list and the actual list sent out could easily have had a different order.
There were a lot of really good candidates that were not on that list and didn't make it to CSM, whilst others were surprising results. "Vote for this person no one really knows" "Okay"
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Posted - 2016.01.13 19:41:49 -
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Tippia wrote:...GÇ£GoodGÇ¥ and GÇ£surprisingGÇ¥ by what measure? Your personal preference and knowledge?... I am clearly an introverted person, who never discusses anything with anyone else and is not even in a corp much less a fairly large coalition.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.13 20:03:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:...why I didn't get elected to the CSM 1) Core's shadow.
2) Had recently returned to EVE.
3) Not a people pleaser.
... but keep making your fantasies.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.13 23:09:05 -
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Back on track:
My experience of crossing High Sec multiple times and talking to people was that they didn't know the CSM existed nor what it does.
That is what is relevant.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:00:29 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Back on track:
My experience of crossing High Sec multiple times and talking to people was that they didn't know the CSM existed nor what it does.
That is what is relevant. Your anecdote is what is relevant?  ... and you have done what exactly?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.14 20:10:28 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Illustrated that you are incapable of factually supporting your claims. So nothing but hot air that is against all EVE players knowing about CSM ...?
Well ... whose interests does that serve?
You look a bit of a git at the moment.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.14 23:25:45 -
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Malcanis wrote:... her ... anger ... Hmm? Did someone tell you that this is anger when you were a kid? 
Malcanis, I think if it did come out that CSM were voted for by an informed minority, it might make you being in CSM and your input modestly questionable as CCP could have been steered in the wrong direction for years.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.17 22:45:31 -
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Sorry, I forgot about this thread.
Alphea Abbra wrote:... To be informed takes clicking a splash page link and 5 minutes. ... Two days during the working week last year?
In a launcher that many of us by-pass?Malcanis wrote: "Steered in the wrong direction", you say? Good response.
Personally, I like Phoebe, less hot dropping going on all over the place.
If the vision ever comes true then EVE would see more strategy.
Others hate the changes and have quit the game over it. Can't please everyone and will always lose some. How many left, I don't know.
Steering in the wrong direction may well be the Null Sec focus and coming at it from the wrong approach. The priority might have been better on High Sec, where the majority are.
Sure, they only stick around for a year and a half on average and I can see the logic in trying to get more of them out to Null Sec to then stay longer.
However, Fozzie's team have sacrificed depth while trying to reduce complexity. Their dream of little groups taking space and blooming in Null Sec have not been realised.
Why not?
I think it is because Null Sec is a tough place to live, it is like a surface rock that smaller groups can't always penetrate to get to the water and soil beneath.
As EVE stands today, I would recommend that any new corp gets jump clones on opposite sides of High Sec, levels their PVE ships, sticks to one tank type and when ready move into a Class 2 or Class 3 worm hole.
There is far better access control with worm holes and it can be an incubator to build wealth and skill points as a group, being able to lay down an infrastructure.
. The trouble at this point is that if you recruit people, you usually need to trust them. If you have a weak time zone they can sneak enemies into your worm hole and you can lose your system. So you can't really grow well in numbers. It is a much larger risk than High Sec or even Low Sec in some regards.
So, if you look at worm holes and Null Sec, all you can really do is have more worm holes, have one for newbies, have drama, have POSes in there blown up and keep going up the WH classes.
Even when you get to Class 6 and a fairly established corp or alliance, you are now left with the people who like worm holes and people who like blingy ships in moderately sized engagement.
There is no natural leap from Worm Holes to Null Sec.
It can work as an incubator but it is not the best solution. There is also a great deal that can and is in many cases being done socially to try and build more new players in Null Sec. The trouble is that they are usually being built by the larges coalitions and not by smaller entities.
Anyway, I am rambling on uselessly and anyone reading up to the point of this last paragraph has probably had their eyes glaze over and their minds' switch off.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.17 23:46:42 -
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Malcanis wrote:... I strongly disagree with the first part of that, and somewhat agree with the second..... What you quoted and this are not clear.
Entosis:
Waving a mining laser at a structure from a little ship.
No longer is there time saving and cost / benefits to stacking your fleet for DPS to grind down a structure. That is one aspect of depth that has been lost.
No longer do you need to put a 100 man fleet out there to be attacked. You can simply send out some T3Ds to kill the annoying interceptors.
... and boy can you farm the little groups now.
Want to really make them unwelcome? Just drop capital blobs around that they can't break and tag team the entosis work.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:37:31 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:.. After your 75% lie, I'm going to ask for a source on that. ... More fool me. I believe it.
I know accounts have been PLEX'ed in advance ready to vote also. (Yours is likely one of those)
As for sources, you can wait until the cows come home or you can actually do some digging. I high-lighted it last year.
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Posted - 2016.01.19 06:40:55 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:... But no, you don't know accounts that have been PLEX'ed to vote. ... I have met more than one CFC director via the test server. I know.
I have seen them and their alliance members using them recently and I have spoken with them.
(If you want more than that, you can suck it. They are some of the few ones I quite like and CFC shot a guy's titan for some pretext + Bat Country, etc)
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:26:49 -
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In the system we trust.
In the system we have no doubts.
The system is clearly perfect.
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:30:56 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Did you have an argument to make, or have you just been reduced to shrilly complaining about THE SYSTEM for no articulable reason at this point? Have you actually done anything or presented anything concrete yet to disprove anything that I have said?
Your opinion doesn't amount to much.
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:46:18 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Did you have an argument to make, or have you just been reduced to shrilly complaining about THE SYSTEM for no articulable reason at this point? Have you actually done anything or presented anything concrete yet to disprove anything that I have said? Your opinion doesn't amount to much. I am presenting this quote as concrete evidence that you do not understand how burden of proof functions. I am presenting this quote as a deflection of a question.
I stand upon something. The results of the elections and the CSM candidates supported by Goons.
You stand upon your opinion and nothing else.
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Posted - 2016.01.19 20:11:24 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:... I stand upon the mathematical reality of STV .... You stand on the belief that the system can't be gamed.
"Alliance A, put X at the top of your list. Alliance B, put Y at the top of your list. Alliance C, put Z at the top of your list," ... and hey, guess what? Not all alliances have the same activity or membership numbers.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.19 20:39:27 -
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Malcanis wrote:That can't overcome that 62% "supermajority" though, unless that supermajority chooses not to vote. Are you absolutely sure that the 62% know there is a vote happening?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:57:14 -
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Malcanis wrote:...Anyone who's been playing since there was last an election has none. .... Average life expectancy of a High Sec account is 1.5 years + climbing the learning curve + time of year they join.
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:03:01 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Jen, that's my CSM delegate you're baiting btw. One poster's bait is another poster's debate. Subjective.Marsha Mallow wrote:... Then only exceptional players are retained, engage with the community, and have awareness of the CSM. Your 62% may well be dropout scrubs whose unspoken voice no-one wants to hear anyway. ... Try that the other way around. They don't know they have a voice. They see changes to Null Sec and think their way of play is ignored.
Again, CSM might have helped lead CCP into focusing on the wrong area of space. If it has been the other way around, perhaps more would have been enabled to transition into other areas of space more smoothly and additionally, they would spend more time paying for an account in High Sec.
If the average life of High Sec accounts could be extended by just a month, that would be significant.
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:30:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Is this guy still clinging to the "if they only knew me they'd elect me/listen to my idea and share them" idea? ... FTFY.
I won't be running again. Ever. Pay attention.
Said that before the results last year (CSM thread if you want to check it)
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Posted - 2016.01.20 17:31:02 -
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Tippia wrote:... All of that just based on numbers. The heretical idea that some true highseccers might still want to align themselves with the (supposed) non-high candidates would erode the GǥmajorityGǥ even furtherGǪ Good post.
However, they have already boiled it down to the life of accounts used mostly in an area of space by the highest SP character's activity.
i.e. During that process are you going to tell me that they don't know what the proportions are simply because it was a different figure that was released?
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Posted - 2016.01.20 18:00:40 -
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Tippia wrote:... The players behind those accounts and characters are hidden behind non-unique (hell, in many cases unverified) emails, a wide array of payment methods from a whole bunch of different vendors, some of which CCP probably aren't even allowed to know. ... So, on one hand, we have people saying that the average High Sec players are too apathetic or dim to vote and on the other, they are taking special measures to use different IP addresses, home networks, machines and e-mail addresses ... riiiight.
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Posted - 2016.01.20 19:56:23 -
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1) Is the IP address used the same?
2) Is the same machine used?
3) Is the same e-mail used?
4) Are multiple accounts carrying on conversations at the same time?
That is off the top of my head. I am sure there are more ways to find out how many players you have. Consider how few complaints there were when bots were banned (rather accurate there).
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Posted - 2016.01.20 23:30:56 -
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For starters:
Exclusive? How often do you see two people playing EVE on the same computer at the same time?
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Posted - 2016.01.21 17:32:05 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:MAC addresses can be and often are spoofed for various reasons. Average players? Tippia wrote:... If two people use the same computer, and you rely on this unreliable piece of data, you get a false positive. ... and you think that a combination of tests IP + MAC + + + would significantly throw off a statistical study?
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Posted - 2016.01.21 18:05:08 -
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Tippia wrote:... None of your ideas work the way you want them to work, nor do they work for the purpose you want. .... Well this is fantastic news.
It means that all the cyber criminals that take deliberate measure to not be found or counted are simply made up figments of the media and propaganda!
I guess your most salient point is, "CCP cannot produce..."
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Posted - 2016.01.21 21:54:03 -
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Tippia wrote:... the peering networks between the two of you have no reason to respond to information requests ... What can be accomplished with a Trojan?
Now, what can be accomplished with a client or launcher? Avvy wrote:... So do the CSMs put their own corps first? Depends how you count leaks.
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Posted - 2016.01.21 22:39:23 -
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Tippia wrote:A lawsuit that ... "Would you like to help CCP by allowing us to collect some anonymous information? It will be used solely for internal purposes and to improve the game."
Never seen a question like that pop up when running or installing programs and games?
(Sometimes, such agreements are by default in the Terms of Service).
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Tippia wrote:GǪwhich wouldn't let them collect any more useful data than what they already have. ... Websites and intranet sites collect better data than this.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 05:09:54 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪwhich wouldn't let them collect any more useful data than what they already have. ... Websites and intranet sites collect better data than this. Good lord, you're serious, aren't you? You do realise that there is object oriented programming for web, which can do pretty much anything, right? No longer just a few basic scripts to display some stuff.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 14:37:18 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:...And until you .... No. Until you guys actually go out and talk to High Sec players and find out just how ignorant of CSM they are and return with anonymised chat logs, my central point to this thread will not be swept under the rug.Malcanis wrote:... BUT BUT BUT CODE MAGIC! ... BUT BUT BUT people actually pay me to code security systems.
(I'll give you an out though. Perhaps, I am just using a lot of pre-made tools well and exploiting management's ignorance. You are welcome to tell yourselves that.)
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Purely incidental encounter: Quote:n++[ 2016.01.22 17:49:51 ] Di > too bad soe ships don't have cool skins
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:50:16 ] Di > the only alternative is actually worse than the original imo
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:51:01 ] Da > default skin is awesome enough :)
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:51:48 ] Di > too awesome maybe?
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:53:16 ] Ta > which boat are we talking aout?
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:53:30 ] Da > nah, there's no such thing as too much awesome
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:53:50 ] Da > Astero Stratios Nestor colour scheme
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:53:53 ] Di > soe ships generally
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:54:53 ] Jenshae > OMG! Like that shade of lipstick on the Astero, like it is so tacky! Why don't we all put nail varnish on its thrusters and give it a make over!!!
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:55:20 ] Da > ah
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:55:25 ] Ar > /emote covers Jenshae in concealer
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:55:26 ] Da > it's that time of year
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:55:43 ] Jenshae > What time of year?
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:55:53 ] Mi > CCCCCCCCSSSSSSSSSMMMMMMMMMM
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:55:58 ] Da > lol
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:56:04 ] Di > getting love sick time
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:56:10 ] Da > Mi couldn't have put it better myself
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:56:15 ] Ta > I like that Astero
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:56:16 ] Jenshae > Oh that? This has become my manufacturing toon.
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:56:43 ] Da > For what it's worth, I don't think I'm going to bother this time around
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:57:36 ] Jenshae > I am voting for Xenuria. They are the candidate that *CCP* deserves after destroyers ruining the frigate meta and SOV being shallow and shyte.
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:57:38 ] Ta > what time of year is it?
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:57:53 ] Di > I would go with a Stratios
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:58:01 ] Ta > and is my Incursus big enough to do it?
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:58:36 ] Jenshae > What can you fly and what are you trying to do?
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:59:11 ] Da > Ta it's not an in-game event or anything, just politics
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:59:24 ] Da > game politics, but politics nonetheless
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:59:34 ] Di > I just want it, that's all
n++[ 2016.01.22 17:59:39 ] Ta > I was wondering what time of year it was somebody said they were sitting it out this time so i figured it was an event
n++[ 2016.01.22 18:00:18 ] Jenshae > CSM = players voted by players (the few who know there is a vote happening) to whisper in CCP's (the game developer) ears and stear them all over the map.
n++[ 2016.01.22 18:00:48 ] Ta > oh okay politices them no fun in that
n++[ 2016.01.22 18:01:08 ] Di > where can I do that vote?
n++[ 2016.01.22 18:01:31 ] Da > CCP will announce it when the time comes
n++[ 2016.01.22 18:01:31 ] Di > I want to tell them that the "rookie experience" sucks
[ 2016.01.22 18:02:42 ] Jenshae > Di the only good candidate I know that is running is Jin'taan if he gets elected, drop him a message to raise your *detailed* feedback and concerns to CCP.
n++[ 2016.01.22 18:03:18 ] Ta > How did you get bold?
n++[ 2016.01.22 18:03:40 ] Jenshae > Screen shots, a whole short bloody presentation is the sort of thing they need, not just "It sucks" because then CCP, says, "They didn't say why it sucks so we can't fix it. *Shrugs* and dismisses it"
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Posted - 2016.01.24 16:01:30 -
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Tippia wrote:So one guy not knowing, ... 2/4 + lurkers.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 16:45:48 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:... how am I to be sure that it's not something you made up entirely? ... Go and investigate instead of being one of those brats that runs around screaming, "Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!"
DO.
You won't trust anything that doesn't fit what you believe until you go and do; experience things first hand.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 17:04:31 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:...You're free to guess why. .... You are butt-hurt and Jenn aSnides' trolling alt?
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Posted - 2016.01.24 17:13:27 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Have you considered ... *Gets this far, checks name and profile picture then shrugs and makes this post without reading further.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 17:15:18 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:... I'm perfectly willing to change my mind, .... I don't believe you.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 17:40:46 -
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Tippia wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:2/4 + lurkers. One who asked what it was. So one (1). Trying to make it sound like more because that one character was hidden in a bunch of unrelated static does not suddenly make him more than one guy. There's one who asks GÇ£whenGÇ¥, which is not the same question as GÇ£what.GÇ¥ This out of a conversation between 6 people plus, as you point out, any number of lurkers. ... You can see from how thing were spelt out that Di could pick up what the CSM was and want to vote. Knowing nothing, they thought the vote might be on Reddit for all they knew.
Ti thought the CSM was an event.
Again, talk to people. This chat log happened recently and without my deliberate efforts.
I have a new computer and I have my own experiences from running for CSM.
- I won't be running around talking to people again this year. I have no motivation.
- The chat logs from last year are gone.
- Even if I had them, I wouldn't put in the wasted effort of digging through them for you.
So, take that as me having no proof and rejoice.
Why don't I make the effort to find more proof?
Your opinion of me is not worth trying to sway because I do not value it (but the pointless arguing in circles is a good distraction while, warp, warp, warping).
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Posted - 2016.01.24 17:56:48 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:Again, talk to people. Yes, please do so ... "No u"
We have devolved to this point.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 18:12:00 -
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Gêà
-> u.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 18:27:14 -
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Tippia wrote:... spurious . I disagree. Alphea Abbra wrote:Quote:I will be voting for Xenuria this year. Look, I realise you want to punish someone, but honestly, CCP are not at fault here. CCP didn't control who the voters voted for. It's unfair to punish CCP simply because the voters didn't vote for you. CCP and especially Fozzie's team deserve Xenuria after this last year's changes and for ignoring the solid feedback that the good members of CSM X presented.
CCP does not deserve a good CSM this year.
I will not be voting for someone I like and being directly responsible for putting them in a bad situation.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 18:35:02 -
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Tippia wrote:Doesn't matter. . Your opinion and I do not care about it.
(Note, that I am using short sentences. At some point perhaps you might get the message and stop making up what ever fantasy full of hopes you have running through your head)
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Posted - 2016.01.24 18:43:15 -
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Tippia wrote:No, it's just fact. . Your opinion of my claims.
Repeating a study to reproduce results that I have absolutely no doubts about, will change nothing and is a waste of my time and effort.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 21:49:24 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪwould .... ... at this point never be done, simply to spite you.
... and yes, I have cut off my nose but it was less effort than spending months going around High Sec talking to people.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 22:30:06 -
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Still don't care.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 22:47:12 -
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Tippia wrote:... Then you are wrong. ... You will believe that even if I go out and gather evidence. Again, effort wasted. I think you are a lost cause.
Believe as you will. Your opinion does no matter.
Edit: Weirdest thing. I said that I believed that the match between Camel and Warlords was fixed and everyone said I was an idiot.
Then I found this on Reddit today
Which had a this in it.
... hmmm .... I have miss-placed a thread somewhere.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 22:54:50 -
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Tippia wrote:This is not a matter of belief or opinion, I believe you are a waste of time.
You believe I am a liar.
I know that what I have stated is true.
You demand I produce proof because you are too lazy to go out and find it yourself.
I refuse.
Make your own "truths" as much as you like. I am not buying it.
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Posted - 2016.01.24 23:10:35 -
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Tippia wrote:... I know this because of the things you've said that contradict reality, .... Your perception of reality, which is flawed.
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